What is the role of women as shown in the cartoon and in To Kill a Mockingbird?
Think about:
How the cartoon and novel are similar/ different to one another
The comparison between Olive Oyl and the women in TKAM
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okay, so based on the popeye clip, olive, shows an example on how she thinks women are. in the clip, women are depicted as just as capable as men in what they can do. Not saying that it not like that now, but back then, when this episode played, women were to stay home, be housewives. they were not meant to be presidents during that time. they did not have much power. they were highly looked down upon and were not expected to do much other than stay at home.
ReplyDeletethis is also seen in Cal. She stays home with the finch's to help and take care of Scout and Jem.
my question is: Why were men just first looked as a higher rank than women? What if it was the other way around?
i have a picture on womens role or close to that.
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I believe men are looked upon as "better" because of human nature. In the past, our ancestors relied on men as the hunters and leaders and women as gathers. As a result, we are inclined to believe the men should dominate the household because in the past, they were the ones who offered protection, food, and security. If it was the other way around, men would immediately protest against the inequality. This is ironic because in the past many men failed to recognize this injustice because they did not step into the women's shoes.
DeleteI agree with Rudy, on how it was the men who really supported and fed the family back then. Women were left with the less physically demanding jobs of dealing with the household. However, that was back then when people were living off of the land, when food was everyone's main focus. Thus men have this lingering feeling of dominance as the 'head' of the family. If men had to face the stereotypes and discrimination that women face today, there's no doubt about it- they would also fight for equal rights just as aggressively. No matter how you look at it, it's unfair to treat opposite genders differently because both have important roles in society.
DeleteI think men are seen higher than women, because of their strength and stature that make a man a man. Women were seem as to weak and need to be protected. So naturally men would protect the women, making them feel superior. I think if women were seen as higher than men , things may still be the same, where sexism is apparent. Either way one group would be seen as better than the other rather than equals.
DeleteI agree with Rudy because the role that women contributed in the past seemed very diminutive compared to the men. This set the stage for a stereotype of men being superior to women. Also, in early Disney films( Cinderella, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty) women were depicted as damsel's in distress that needed a man to save them.
DeleteWell, to reiterate on what rudy said, yes in the past men were the dominant people in society, but because they held power, they had the strength to make women feel at ease and the ability to make families. Women were content with the fact that while they raised families and lived at ome, there husband's or ralatives protected them and gave them food and shelter. But not all women in history were content with being mothers at home, women like Catherine the great of Russia, and Suasan b. anthony helped raise the prominence of women in their societies.
DeleteI agree with Austin, because in the movie it's depicted that in a woman's view, they ARE just as capable as men in the social world. But also, in the movie I feel like they show that in those days, men were treated with more respect and women's ideas were less respected.
DeleteI agree with Jonathan, because I also feel that no matter what happened, one gender will always overpower the other. Even if the men were viewed as weak, they wouldn't be equal to women. In that case, women would be viewed as a higher and stronger group.
DeleteIn both the society portrayed in To Kill a Mockingbird and the Poppey Cartoon, women were believed to be home-makers, or people who stayed at home, tending to house hold affairs. For example, the cartoon suggests that overall Olive Oyl, is a perfectionist and enjoys cleaning the country up. This is a stereotype on women. In addition she is initially scorned by Poppey. In the novel, similarly, women are still viewed as second class citizens. For instance, the first chapter generalizes on their behavior as people who gossip and meticulously powder themselves. This, I feel, is an unfair stereotype. Scout, when she attempts to go against the grain of this preconceived pattern is met with scorn. Atticus realizes this and does not listen to people like the Aunt, and instead allows her to empower herself. One difference between Olive Oyl and Scout, however, is that the cartoon displays a new trend in society, one towards allowing women rights. This is clearly displayed when Olive Oyl points out how men only work "at the desk." This is the start in a giant change in the American perspective towards women.
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Does society value the power of the mind or the power of brawn?
I think that society valued the power of brawn over the power of the mind back then, when we were all still relying on agriculture instead of industry and manufacturing. Before all the machines and technology, the main priority of the people was growing food in order to survive. In that context then yes, brawn would be worth more than the mind since you need strength to work in the fields. Since women were weaker, they were seen as inferior to the men who had to do the harsher physical labor. However, now that society has progressed to the point where most people aren't farmers, brawn is not as important or needed for survival. Thus the importance of the power of the mind is slowly increasing, how we need great minds to solve our problems and help guide us towards the right direction. More and more people are starting to see past the stereotypes of women and see their strengths, but the process of fully letting go of discrimination is a slow, weary process.
DeleteYes, brawn is definitely valued as a key factor in judging people. It is difficult to see the brains of a person when first meeting them, whereas you can immediately tell if they are strong and sturdy. This just falls into the categories of prejudice that society has. We see a person, and we judge them. We deem them worthy by their physical characteristics, when in fact, it should be the other way around. We should value brains more in an individual because brains are what advance our society forward.
DeleteI think that society values brawn because when you first meet or see somebody, you can't help that you judge them based off of their appearance. It's human nature. You obviously can't see the level of intelligence in a person with your eyes; however what you can see is their physical characteristics. Although I feel that the power of the mind is what will advance society, it is under appreciated.
Deletei agree, a society values brawn because its what helps to keep a society going. the minds of the society is not enough to even support its own community. its like Cerritos being built from minds not strength. a society actually needs both to succeed.
DeleteNot to be sexist but women were not prominent in education until around the 1800's when they became school teachers. All the great minds of the Classical period were men, because women were not allowed to go to schools in Classical Athens and Rome. Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates, were not the biggest of men, or mightiest of warriors, but they were shrewdly intelligent and became the fathers of sociology and philosophy. Yes society values strength, but what is strength without a mind to use it.
DeleteSince the favor of a society fluctuates just as much as the stock market does, it would be difficult to decide whether society put more of a value into intellect or brawn. Additionally, the value of one's status in life in a society widely varies due to the numerous things one can do, from sports to science, blue-collar to white-collar jobs, which are what make up society. They are both part of a whole functioning body; if you take one organ out, every other one will fail, and eventually die off.
Deletei agree with turath. Women usually stayed at home and were not educated. It was the men that went to school and learned. So people began to think that all men were intelligent. Society does value strength(brawn), but it mixes it together with intelligence(mind).
DeleteIn To Kill a Mockingbird and the Poppey cartoon, women are treated lower than men. In To Kill a Mockingbird, women are portrayed as gossipy and appearance-based. In the beginning of the Poppey cartoon, men are running for president and getting applauded for their physical characteristics (two headed man) rather than their intellectual ability. This shows that in this time period, the people valued powerful looking men as their leaders, rather than intellectual individuals. Olive Oyl and Scout are similar in that they are both naive in some ways. Olive Oyl's ideas for when she were president were a bit.. out there. She naively assumed that everything would go according to her plans. Scout is a sensible girl, but she is still naive and innocent in her ways, much like Olive Oyl. One thing I noticed was that Olive Oyl seemed to be very interested in the idea of marriage. Scout is also that way with Dill. She has already planned out her future husband. Olive Oyl and Scout also firmly believe that women can and should play the role of men. In To Kill a Mockingbird, Aunt Alexandria is always horrified at Scout for wearing overalls all the time. In the Poppeye cartoon, Olive Oyl mentions that women should have the "pants in the relationship and men should stay home washing dishes". This emphasizes the strong feminist feelings that both Olive Oyl and Scout had. They were determined to go against the grain and prove tha twomen were just as capable as men.
ReplyDeleteThought provoking question: Who are the better leaders: powerful men with influence but no brains, or intellectual individuals?
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By far I would choose and intellectual leader. One with strength may be good as well ,but a leader with brains would be better. Strength and influence are useless if you do not have the brains to use them properly.
DeleteThe better leader would definitely be the intellectual individual because he has the brains and wits to lead. The intellectual individual can find a way to make his people happy, while the powerful man may in fact do the opposite. Yet, the better leader may not always be chosen to lead. The intellectual individual lacks the leadership qualities such as bravery, initiative, and influence that the other one has, and so often the intellect individual is left in the dust of the charismatic, powerful leader.
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Deleteof course intellectual individual,we need minds to run this country, smart decisions, like Obama :)
DeleteIntellect is always a benefit when choosing your leader. Intelligence can cause one to think rationally and avoid decisions made in haste whereas, with a powerful, influential yet, uneducated man, the results can be catastrophic. For example, Adolf Hitler was a very powerful man in his day and had a strong influence on many Germans through his numerous speeches and campaigns. However, an unwise decision to extinguish an entire race, left the world in ruins and left many hearts broken.
DeleteI think it's influence no brains because having intellect but not having influence is like a bird without wings. It would be worse to have potential but not able to do anything big to move people. Also, I don't being academically smart makes you a smarter person in general. I think it would be a lot better to be creative and be able to influence people in that way.
DeleteThe roles of women in the Popeye cartoon and in TKAM are very similar. In the Popeye cartoon, we see how if Olive becomes president she will do things like clean the whole country, just like a stereotypical woman would do at that time, which is to stay home and clean. In the To Kill a Mockingbird women are the same they stay home clean, cook and gossip. At this time in history, women were to look for husbands, marry and have children. This idea that a woman should have one goal of creating a family was apparent in both the book and in the cartoon. Olive Oyl said if she were president, she would force a tax on bachelors, to force them into marrying a woman and have children. In the same way, Aunt Alexandra married and had a child, who now has a child as well. However, we also have a difference in the book and the cartoon one woman defied women stereotypes, Miss Maudie is this independent single woman, who chooses not to marry Uncle Jack. Women at this time were treated as if they were incapable of achieving anything.
ReplyDeleteMedia: http://www.forbes.com/wealth/power-women
Here is the list and pictures of Forbes 100 most powerful women. These women chose to go against the grain of society and make something of them. They did not stand by and watch things happen, instead they chose to make things happen themselves.
Question: What would happen if Scout’s mother were still alive? Would Scout grow up to become more woman like? Would Atticus be indifferent to gender as much as he is to skin color?
I believe that if Scout's mother were still alive, then yes, Scot would have grown up more woman like due to the female influence in the house. Scout has been exposed only to a man's point of view, a man's way of life, and a man's way of thinking. Although Calpurnia was there, Scout did not spend much time with her, favoring the company of her brother, Jem. Calpurnia is also more strict than she is caring, which does not support the kind of motherly love that a child needs. However, I believe that if Scout's mother were still alive, then Atticus would not be indifferent o gender. I believe that the only reason why Atticus lets Scout grow up like a boy is because he wants Scout to be independent, like he is, and not to rely on another person. However, if Scout's mother were alive, then he would probably have raised Scout more like a girl and been more partial to gender difference.
DeleteI think that if Scout's mother were still alive then she would definitely be a different person. The only reason why Scout's the way that she is, is that she has many male influences in her life and lacks a female influence. I also think that if Atticus were to lecture her on being more like a girl and being sexist, then it would be like him being racist to the blacks: its not like his character, so that's why doesn't do it.
DeleteI also liked your media source of Forbes 100 Most Powerful Women, it truly does show how women can accomplish things like a man can and success sees no sex.
I think if Scout's mother was alive, Scout would be a lot more girly. Without her, Scout is just constantly surrounded by the influence of boys. She does have some female influence throughout her life, but they are not close enough to her to make her look up to them. If it was her mother, Scout would definitely try to be like her because her mom would be her role model in her life instead of her rowdy brother and Dill. I think Atticus would remain indifferent to gender but he would still treat his wife and Scout more tenderly than he would for Jem. Skin color is just skin color but women do have a look about them that would make them seem more fragile whereas skin color does not change the way one looks, it is only the skin.
DeleteEven if Scout's mom was alive, there wouldn't have been much of a difference. The major difference would have been that Scout might be able to keep her temper in better. To me, this is a personal experience because growing up with so many cousins, I felt like a younger sibling. But with just a brother at home, I grew to like games and etc. more than the next girl.
DeleteI think that if Scout's mother were still alive, she'd have had slightly better chance of being girlier. She is growing up with two men and a black housekeeper. Calpurnia is the mother figure in her life, but she isn't exactly the best woman to model to be girly. Especially in this time where mosts blacks and whites were hostile to each other, growing up to be like an african-american lady as a white won't benefit you in the best way. Even though the Finches and Calpurnia have an understanding with each other and she's been there as long as the can remember, the rest of the society wouldn't respond the same if Scout took after Calpurnia's ladyness. So, yes, it would help Scout's anitlady issue if her mother were still alive.
DeleteI believe that if Scout's mother were still alive, Scout would grow up to be more ladylike. Her mother would have influenced Scout to mature as a lady. I believe that her mother's absence contributed greatly to Scout's tomboy-ish personality.
DeleteI believe Scout would be very similar to her character now even if her mother was alive. I think this because I believe that Atticus wouldn't have married someone that much different from him in morals and freedom of personality. I believe that the children's mom would have been a strong woman that knew right and wrong, but also knew that being a woman doesn't mean wearing a skirt and sitting at home.
DeleteI think that Scout would be way more lady like and not fight with other boys. Atticus wouldn't be so lonely anymore and he would stop being a workaholic, but i still think he would be the same way he is to other races because that is just how Atticus is you can't change that from a person.
DeleteThe roles of women in both To Kill a Mockingbird and the clip from Popeye are both severely stereotyped, though Popeye is far more so. Olive Oyl is depicted as a young, ignorant everyday woman who appears to have a wild imagination and impossible ideals. She is portrayed as to having absolutely no knowledge about how the economy works, let alone how society thinks in general. She repeatedly brings up the topic of love, an unrealistic idea that "love will solve all of your problems", which is completely false if you're trying to run a country.
ReplyDeleteMiss Maudie, on the other hand, is an extremely reasonable person. She doesn't indulge in spreading gossip or in acting completely ladylike- she works in the garden with mud and dirt. Miss Maudie is polite to everyone, and stays true to her own opinions when they're challenged. She thinks things through herself and believes in what she herself knows without having others force ideas onto her, such as the rumors surrounding Boo Radley. She is overall an independent woman who acts ladylike yet manages to avoid such stereotypes and ignorance.
Times are slowly changing, and so are the people. Who knows, maybe a couple of years later we'll actually have a female president. Here's a picture of Hillary Clinton to inspire future female leaders. :)
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Hopefully thought provoking questions: Why do you think that women are stereotyped as overly romantic and weak-minded in the first place? Where did all of these stereotypes come from?
The stereotype of women being the weaker than men have been around since the beginning of mankind. Naturally and physically, it is scientifically proven that men have a physical advantage over women in terms of body size and upper body strength. The physical strength of women is lessened because of her natural structure built specifically for giving birth. This physical weakness of women, gives root to the stereotype that women are overly romantic and weak-minded. Because women are physically weaker, the men went out to war, to farm, or to hunt. Women had no role in battle or getting food, so they stayed at home all day. As women stayed home, the stereotype of being weak minded gained popularity. Women did not go outside or experience different things and stayed at home all day, so this put them in a position that was pictured as being weak minded. Lastly, they are pictured as overly romantic because, all of the time men propose to women, and it is stereotyped that women are always waiting for that moment of proposal.
DeleteThey are stereotyped like this for many reasons. Women are seen as weaker physically and mentally. They are called this because usually they have smaller and weaker bodies so men think they are weak. Also women have always been taking care of the household and never act independent and when they do they are always shot down.
DeletePeople naturally base women upon their appearance, not only physically, but socially as well. It wasn't until the 1900's that women began fighting for their rights. Before that, it seemed as though they had no interest in being given those rights. Women never really seized the initiative to put themselves out on the public stage and make their opinions known, and as a result, they were seen as having no opinions, and maybe that is a also a factor of why they were looked down upon.
DeleteIn most if not all episodes of Popeye, Olive is portrayed as a damsel in distress always needing a man (Popeye) to save her. In To Kill a Mocking Bird, women are portrayed as gossipy housewives. In the beginning of the clip, we see male politicians campaigning to be president. When Olive Oyl decides to run, Popeye laughs hysterically at the idea. Then Olive sings about what she would do as president. Her ideas may not exactly be the most relevant, but hey its for comedic relief. Having ideas are better than not having any. I find that Popeye and Jem are similar. Popeye mocks the fact that his love interest Olive is thinking about running for president. While Jem demands that Scout should act more ladylike by wearing a dress,etc. They feel that women are incapable of doing what men do.
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though provoking question- Why do you think that males like Popeye and Jem look down upon women?
To answer your question as simply as I can is that, that's probably how they were raised to think. Popeye and Jem both grew up thinking that women were inferior to men and couldn't do the things men can do and if they actually do try, they are discouraged and scowled upon and told to "act like a girl".
DeleteI believe this is because of the way men have been raised for many generations. In the past, it was up to the men to be the brawn of the family, and the women, the caretaker. Generally, men must believe there physical abilities are greater than women and therefore must be somehow "better."
DeleteWomen were looked down upon since the beginning of time. The men would always be the one to go hunt for food, go to work, and do the heavy duty around the house. The women is the one that would cook, clean, make clothes, and take care of the children. Nobody really knows why it was exactly like this, but it has been passed down from generation to generation since the beginning of time. Eventually, it had affected even characters being portrayed in cartoons and novels.
DeleteI like "damsel in distress" to describe Olive; not in the sense that she always needs saving but that she always wants a man to make things better for her.
DeleteTo answer your question: I think men look down upon women because it's a pride issue. Men don't like to be outdone by women because then their manliness fades away. A woman may be equally as able to do the same things a man could do, like hunt and work, but men would ignore it and still look down upon her by not allowing her to do and doing it themselves.
I agree with Carlo i think they were raised to think that way and it sticks with them. Men are usually the ones who go out and work for money and food to provide the family while the women are in the house, making the men "more important".
DeleteIn the society at the time, males, as always, continued to think highly of themselves, therefore putting down women due to their interest of their own mind of superiority. When they think so well of themselves, they eventually come to discriminate, because males think that those like them are superior. If one believes himself to be superior, then by default he must also believe that another is inferior, leading to the sexist stereotyping of women.
DeleteThroughout the whole episode of Olive Oyl, she was indirectly taunted at for thinking that she could ever be a president. For example, when she first mentioned becoming president, Popeye starts rolling on the floor laughing. She also comes up with useless ideas about how to make the country better that are either unrealistic or have nothing to do with politics and how you are suppose to run the country. It's basically making fun of woman's ways of thinking. The producers of this episode makes it seem like women are dumb and they either do not care about the outside world or that they do not have the potential to think about actual politics. Also, at the end of her speech, instead of a room full of people clapping, it was only Popeye and a big machine that has a lot of clappers. The producers basically just implied that even if she tried, she would not gain any supporters. This is a lot like how Scout is treated in TKAM because she is also often looked down upon. While going off on adventures with Dill, Jem always asks her if she wants to turn back and that she does not have to do it if she does not want to. He treats her like she's weak. Even though they portray Olive as a delicate, womenly figure, she's a lot like Scout because they both want to accomplish things in life that were laughable at that time. They have the courage and the brains to achieve it. The two girls do not let anyone stand in their way and never lets anyone waver their opinion about things.
ReplyDeleteThis picture of a cartoon add depicts what society thought women would good for:
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Thought Provoking Question: How would people's reactions to the goals of Scout and Olive have been different if they were men? Why?
I think if both Scout and Olive were men, their goals would have much more support behind them simply because before the Women's Rights Movement, men were seen as individuals who could carry out jobs better than women and were superior by nature. As women, any goal of Scout or Olive's would be instantly shot down due to the fact that people would think they would not be able to carry out these aspirations correctly. There would be no faith in Scout or Olive that they can actually accomplish something.
DeleteThe role of women in Popeye and To Kill a Mockingbird were very similar. The television episode and the book were made in the same time periods, and the role of women between the series and the book did not vary. Olive Oyl, the main woman character in Popeye, shares many of the same characteristics as Scout, from To Kill a Mockingbird. Scout is a tomboy mainly because of Jem. She is the younger sibling, so she looks up to Jem and his ways of doing things. Olive Oyl is tired of being treated like a woman and is like Scout because she wants to do things in the position of men. Olive Oyl is a feminist and wants to have the same opportunities as men. Scout feels the same way, as she wants to do things just as Jem and have the capabilities and mentality of men.
ReplyDeleteThis cartoon represents Scout and her position on feminism:
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Question: If Olive Oyl likes marriage as shown in the video, how come she doesn't hint to Popeye to marry her?
For Mitchell's question, I think that Olive Oyl DOES want to get married, but maybe not to Popeye. Since she knows that he doesn't support the equality of the genders, Olive might not be willing to marry him.
DeletePopeye was most likely created by a team of men. The video makes every single women of the time look narrow-minded. In the book, Scout is pressured by the people around her to fill in the role of a doll.
ReplyDeleteHowever, Scout is proof that women weren't simple-minded and had thoughts of justice, righteousness and fair treatment. Women didn't spend their lives sitting around and looking pretty. Sadly, they don't really prove their worth until later on.
Here's a picture from World War 2 when women try to make a difference in the war.
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Do you think that with all the movements and etc. through out the years that women are now just as equal as men?
ReplyDeleteBackground info:
It is a known fact that men are generally paid higher salaries than women.
Also, we have not yet had a women president
I think that we're super close to being equal to men. Now a days people have more respect for women than before which is a big step. And women are making huge accomplishments now a days.
DeleteI still don't think we are as equal as men. Woman all over the world are still completely looked down upon even in America. It's still unusual for women to be in high politicly declined jobs but it is definitely getting better.
Deleteeven though women are going outside their typical household duties they are "supposed to do" and going out there and making their life worth living, women and still not only look down upon, but also disregarded in many parts of the world
DeleteWomen are close to being equal to men, but they still get paid less than men for doing the same jobs, and in some countries(Iraq, Afghanistan,etc), women are still not given much rights. However, in many countires, like USA, it is getting better
DeleteIn the video clip, Olive is surrounded by men who look down upon women. In her imagination as president, she pictures herself with a man by her side and having a fun life, where everything in the world is good and most things can be fixed with love. In To Kill a Mockingbird, women like Ms. Maudie and Ms. Stephanie are gossipers but they are also very opinionated and hold their head up because they don't need a man to make their lives worth it. In TKAM, Scout is looked down upon by Jem and Dill. They don't allow her to go on trips to the Radley house because it's dangerous and she's a girl. But doesn't the fact that she does go make her different from other girls?
ReplyDeletethought provoking question: If women like Olive or Scout actually made huge accomplishments like, become president, for example, would men like Popeye and Jem still look down upon them?
If women like Olive or Scout made huge accomplishments, men would definitely not still look down upon them. Especially, now, in our time, even women are running for president (Hilary Clinton), and I believe that nowadays, women receive more respect from others.(=
DeleteWhile watching the Popeye Cartoon in class, a few things caught my attention. The role of a woman expressed in the cartoon was that women were objects; only good for reproduction and giving birth. This is shown when a remedy to cure insomnia for an adult man in bed was to put scandalously dressed women jumping above him. Women are also described indirectly by Popeye as not having any ambition, drive, or goals due to the fact that all they do is “chase husbands.” A mentioning of men is quite common in the cartoon. Olive explains how she will find a man for every woman and “pick up female morale and pick up a man for every gal.” The implied message I got from this was that women NEED men in their daily lives. Women are constantly dependant upon men in the cartoon. In To Kill a Mockingbird however, the case is quite different. Atticus is heavily dependent on Calpurnia to take care of his children and not only instill excellent values into them but, fulfill their essential needs whether it be food, clothing, or even motherly love. The role of women shown in the novel is much greater than that in the cartoon because To Kill a Mockingbird shows that women like Calpurnia keep families together with their love, support, hard work, and dedication to their children. Without women in the family, many would crumble and fall apart. My question is: How is the female gender portrayed as a leader in today’s society in comparison to the pre-women’s rights era?
ReplyDeleteThis picture shows that even though men are commonly thought of as providers for their family, women provide just as much to their family and are even capable of providing the same things men can.
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In the cartoon, Popeye, women are considered socially lower than men. When Olive Oyl tells Popeye that she wants to run for president, Popeye laughs and says, "You, PRESIDENT? Then we will be cursed!" Olive Oyl is a very optimistic, pleasant woman. On the contrary, in the novel, To Kill a Mockingbird, all the women in Maycomb County are skewed. One gossips too much, while another has a harsh and unpleasant personality.
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THOUGHT-PROVOKING QUESTION:
Why are all the women in Maycomb County skewed?
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ReplyDeletePictures of Disney's Mulan and Star Wars' Princess Leia show the difference between Olive and the opinionated, headstrong women of Maycomb. Princess Leia always needed saving just like Olive always needed a man to make her happy. Mulan symbolizes the headstrong women of Maycomb because she stepped into her father's place and fought in the war; she kept her head up.
In this video women are only portrayed, like Sohan, as objects. The video gives the message that all women need a man in their life to get something done. In the novel Scout shows us how women once did want justice, but as they grow up they are taught to be doll by their society. The difference in the video and the novel though is that in the novel women are slightly more important then they are portrayed in the video. In Maycomb its usually the women who keep the family together, while in the video they're giving the message that women can't do anything on their own. They rely too much of men.
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In the novel, To Kill A Mockingbird, as well as the Popeye cartoon, I feel that the role of women were more based upon just taking care of the home and playing the perfect "ideal look" on the outside and that's what really mattered. For example, in the story, Scout is mainly urged to start dressing like a lady and playing the look of it. Also, in the movie, all of Olive's choice of actions if she were president are based on making the city look nicer with trash picking, nicer lights, etc. but none of them were about morals and ways to actually help the economy. In my opinion, this in a way shows how during this time, a woman's main role was to look "perfect" on the outside, simply disregarding her thoughts and opinions on important matters.
ReplyDeleteBelow is a link to a political cartoon that shows what a "perfect woman" should be like in society.
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What is the role of women as shown in the cartoon and in To Kill a Mockingbird?
ReplyDeleteIn To Kill a Mockingbird, women are a very minor yet powerful part of the story. There are only a few women that are mentioned briefly throughout the novel but their presence is very important and strong. It is almost as if the women are a silent motor, pulling the story along. For example, the character of Mayella is very important because she displays the role of woman and what they're allowed to say/do during a court session. Also, the absence of a motherly figure of Atticus' wife for the children has an impact because her absence influenced Jem and Scout's growth. In the cartoon, Olive herself is a very confident and strong woman who knows what she wants in life regardless of the rules. However, she is completely ridiculed by Popeye when she daydreams about becoming president. Popeye didn't even listen to her ideas or give her a chance, which shows the low respect and sincerity that woman recieved during the time period. Men in both sources seem to overpower women, even women with strong personalities like Calpurnia and Olive.
How does Atticus and Popeye differ in their ways of treating Olive and Scout?
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This political cartoon is not only showing women in Afghanistan, but is also relates to the book/cartoon as to the men didn't think that there were any problems in the rights of women.
Atticus seems like a person to tell Scout to push for her dreams while Popeye laughed about Olive's dreams and told her it would be a curse.
DeleteBut Popeye did in fact change at the end of the clip by endorsing Olive. So it is reasonable and justifiable to claim that Popeye evolved and was a dynamic character through out this episode.
DeleteThe Popeye cartoon and To Kill a Mockingbird have women with different priorities. Olive Oyl wants a perfect society and happiness for everyone while Calpurnia wants good for Jem and Scout. They both want good for the people they're around. But Calpurnia is more realistic and Olive is like a dreamer. Another thing is that Olive and the other women in the novel are womanly but in different ways.
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This picture reminds me Olive Oyl because she was a big dreamer like MLK.
Did women in To Kill A Mockingbird want to take the role of men like Olive suggested?
in the short video clip olive oyl for president, olive expresses a variety a unrealistic dreams she would wish to achieve. But, i feel like many of her ideas are in favor of the women, which is the exact opposite way it is from the men. she isn't quite woman warrior material, she is more of a feminist. real woman warriors would include joan of arc and mulan they both do things for the good of the people at their own sacrifice.
ReplyDeletequestion: although things have changed for the better, what really needs to happen before man and woman are true equals?
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Generally women are portrayed as incapable beings of the Earth, solely existing just for the pleasure and enjoyment of men. In Popeye and To Kill A Mockingbird, women are often cast away during times of intense controversy and deliberation. During the trial of Tom Robinson, their were indeed women present, but none with the priviledge or audacity to speak their minds. Even in the real world, women are constantly viewed as inferior, incapable of political opinions and qualities to fight for their nation. This very reason, is why women were not legally and officially admitted into the military until our most recent war. In this video excerpt, it just goes to show how naive we once were. Harper Lee portrays women in strong roles, to show we're we were as a nation, and never to let us fall back into the clutches of naivite and blindness
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In the cartoon, I noticed that Olive's platform revolved around things that regular people didn't need. I believe that this symbolises how people thought that women back then didn't know what was going on and what was important partly due to the fact that they were expected to stay at home all the time and keep the house orderly.
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I know people have seen this picture before but I find it ironic how before World War II, women were seen as weak and unhelpful with working but during the war they were the ones making the weapons and tanks and etc. After the war though their image went back to being the same as before WWII.
Well the outlook on women did change dramatically throughout the course of World War I and II. So much so, that they were given the right to vote, almost primarily based upon their actions envolving the wars.
DeleteIn the book i believe that in the novel and in the popeye clip the role of women is that they are not supposed to do what they except do housely chores or look for men. they are looked as more like objects rather than people. Calpurnia does all the household and cooking in the Finch house. olive oil wants to be president and change all the laws to favor both woman AND men. Woman back then and even now are expected just to stay home , but they can do as much as men can do.
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I agree with you to the point where its is true that Olive Oyl and women in To Kill a Mockingbird are different. I think this is because of the difference in time periods. To Kill a Mockingbird takes place in the late 20's or the early 30's when women didn't have equal rights but fast forward to the 60's and the Popeye video, women have gained many rights and equal pay to men.
DeleteUhm so like I posted earlier, but I think my post got deleted or something. . . So this is basically the gist of what I had said before. Olive Oyl is a prime example of the perfect woman in the 1960s, the same how Miss Maudie epitomizes the perfect southern woman. Both women acquire the qualities of being ambitious, honest, and most importantly ...being feminine.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: When we look back at women and their roles of society, we see that they struggled to have a say in society. In the future, how do you think womens role in society might change?
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Yes, but I agree they are more feminine both, but Miss Maudie seems to be more reasonable and practical than olive oyl
Deleteolive is not very realistic in the way she thinks. i think the fact that she thinks she can become president wraps it all up
Deletethe cartoon depicts the scene of Olive Oyl, who is unpractical and believes everything can be solved with love, and she shows this when every problem that arises is solved with a form of love or marriage. For instance, when the men disagree in the courthouse, she pushes a button for the love secretary. This is like aunt alexandra, who believes woman should only drink tea, be pretty, and not do anything that require pants or abundance of physical movement.
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How is it that men in the 20th century married women who they claimed they loved and yet expected them to be lesser than them? How is it that women were discriminated by men, and everyone agreed so much that women were put down? Why is it that some societies believe women are equal, and how did it come to seperate?
Generally women are portrayed as incapable beings of the Earth, solely existing just for the pleasure and enjoyment of men. In Popeye and To Kill A Mockingbird, women are often cast away during times of intense controversy and deliberation. During the trial of Tom Robinson, their were indeed women present, but none with the priviledge or audacity to speak their minds. Even in the real world, women are constantly viewed as inferior, incapable of political opinions and qualities to fight for their nation. This very reason, is why women were not legally and officially admitted into the military until our most recent war. In this video excerpt, it just goes to show how naive we once were. Harper Lee portrays women in strong roles, to show we're we were as a nation, and never to let us fall back into the clutches of naivite and blindness
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The role of women in the cartoon was very different compared to the one in To Kill a Mockingbird. In the cartoon woman were portrayed as a wife and much more. and Olive wanted more of a society focusing on family rather then the government. While in To Kill a Mockingbird the women were to watch the kids, cook food, clean the house, and do whatever their husband says. In the cartoon the women seem more independent.
ReplyDeleteQues: how does the role of women affect other people?
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I do not agree with you at all, Jeremy. In the cartoon Olive Oyl is unpractical and she WANTS to solve a problem with family, but it doesnt always work and not all people will agree. When they don't agree, she attempts to bring love into it. AT least the women in TKAM were reasonable and tried their best to help families and people like CAlpurnia had real morals, resolutions, and ideas to make their community better. Olive Oyl sees making things pretty, but she can't solve a real problem
DeleteI also agree with Kellie because Olive was using her power as president to give kids more ice cream or try to get people to sleep. Her priorities weren't set straight and it really reflects on how men thought all women were like, not capable of high level jobs.
DeleteFor centuries, women were widely seen in many cultures put into a lower level than that of a man. Men were then put at a higher position, as they believed that women were inferior to them at the time. As portrayed in the Popeye clip, Olive Oyl is saying what she would do if she became president. However, what she says that she would do is not realistic and smart at all. She talks about passing bills over family affairs, to try to change the way people are, romantically, through these bills. It is quite obvious that this is trying to make the statement that women cannot make smart decisions by themselves, and how she wants everyone to get a man, implying that women are only fruitful in chasing men, a great inverse of how we stereotype genders today. However, in To Kill a Mockingbird, sexism portrayed in the novel is not put as directly and bluntly as it had in the Popeye clip. In the novel, it states that women are naturally gossipers, such as saying that Aunt Alexandra had the traditional attributes of a woman, which included gossip. Additionally, Miss Stephanie Crawford was referred to as the town gossip, who always seemed to know everything about everyone. It also displays a sharp difference between males and females; while females had to obediently conform to gender traditions, males were allowed to be almost whomever they wanted to be like. Males had the freedom to be themselves. The only exception of the entire community of people is Scout, whom Atticus allowed to be free and be just as she wants to be, very unlike the sexist traditions passed down for generations. Although both gave connotative expressions of implied sexism, Popeye uses a much more unrealistic, exaggerated exhibition of stereotypes, while To Kill a Mockingbird sets up what sexist actions and traditions would have existed st the time.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think that people create stereotypes of anything that is different from themselves?
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I think people create stereotypes of anything that is different from themselves because they're ignorant, they judge someone when they don't even know them.
DeleteIn the short clip of Olive Oyl, she's quickly depicted as a skinny woman, emphasizing weakness while Popeye is big and muscular. Her voice is almost abnormally high and her politics if comical. She doesn't take the role of president serious at all and treats it like a game. The main role of women in the video is to "tidy things up", in the sense that she they can't be taken seriously. Likewise in To Kill a Mockingbird, women are treated as side chatter and not to be considered. They gossip and sip tea and only are for menial tasks.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: How do you think the world might be different if women were treated as equals to men since the beginning of time?
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If women were treated equal, I believe that the world would have prospered beyond than what it is today. Women and men both have great ideas and thoughts and when they're put together things could turn out better.
DeleteIn the video we watched, Popeye laughs at the idea of Olive for president. By her dream of becoming president, we can see the differences of the roles of women and men. Olive thinks that the chores that women of the house usually do, is actually for the men to do. She believes in women having more authority over men, just like this picture. http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&biw=1280&bih=626&tbm=isch&tbnid=dQRcxsB7cg6atM:&imgrefurl=http://theedwardians.blogspot.com/2011/06/typical-male-cartoon-on-suffragettes.html&docid=Wvf9aT6WGIeAjM&imgurl=http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nFbK8kF_QeM/TfCoT2ko2AI/AAAAAAABCZs/KqvPiM8vJo4/s1600/suffrage_cartoon.jpg&w=400&h=549&ei=YwQhT9G6MYnaiQKzsLmACA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=175&vpy=114&dur=2544&hovh=263&hovw=192&tx=59&ty=180&sig=110866510494880059236&page=1&tbnh=137&tbnw=106&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0
ReplyDeleteWhile the man stays home and takes care of the children, the woman goes out to vote on election day.
In TKAM, the women of Maycomb only sit around or loiter while gossiping. For example, Aunt Alexandra doesn't do any chores around the house and just talks and drinks tea with the neighbors. However, Calpurnia, the actual woman of the house, she does do all the cooking and cleaning.
Question: How did the discrimination of women even start in the beginning? Why do men think they're more powerful and smarter than woman?
They feel they are more powerful possible as a factor of them being physically bigger and stronger, in turn feeding them the idea that they can take advantage of women, as a result making them feel superior over them. The men knew they could physically "beat" a women, which I believe makes them feel more important to society.
DeleteOlive Oyl portrays a woman who cannot be taken seriously because of her silly ideas and romantic notions. She not only wants a man for herself, but for all the other ladies out there. This shows that she is still dependent on men and believes they are essential to women's happiness. This is why women were not taken seriously.
ReplyDeleteIn To Kill a Mockingbird, Cal stays at home and watches the children. SHe takes the rold of a traditional "lady", and does the cooking and cleaning, which are thought to be women's jobs.
Question: WHy did women let themselves be oppressed for centuries? WHy did they not stand up for themselves?
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They probably didn't have the chance to. With oppression around them, not a single woman would have what it takes, the drive, to stand up for their rights. It's as if they're in a cage, with no way out. In this scenario your question would be: why didn't the woman just get out of the cage? Well, that's the thing. Theres no possible way out of it, which applies to why women did not stand up for themselves.
DeleteIn the video of Popeye, Olive Oyl gets laughed at when she tells Popeye that she wants to run for president. Popeye doesn't think that Olive or any women would be fit enough to run for president that women are just good for being domestic engineers.
ReplyDeleteMy brother, Julian, is married to my sister in law, Rosie, and has kids. One would think that the lady would be a domestic engineer but my brother is actually the domestic engineer.
Why is it that most men think women are only good for being domestic engineers?
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The cartoon is similar yet different to TKAM. For example, in the cartoon, only men are running for office, which goes the same way as TKAM, because in TKAM, only men take political positions in their society. Olive Oyl is similar to Maycomb's women because both aspire to take political roles, those of and only of the men. Both, like I said, dream of taking office, and Olive can even imagine herself as actually taking a major role from a man in the cartoon.
ReplyDeleteWhat specific idea or tangible object make men think that they are superior to women?
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In this cartoon, Olive acts like a naive woman who has no idea what problems the world really faces. During her "campaign", she may have been trying to aim at acting as though women were more independent and knowledgeable than men, but she just reinforced the idea that men were the ones who took control of everything. This idea of men knowing how society is run, and women having no clue, is both supported and contradicted. Women, such as Miss Stephanie and Aunt Alexandra, are only concerned with peoples' images and the gossip that make its way through town. They leave the messy work, such as the trial and jobs to the men. But there are also women, such as Miss Maudie, who take a special interest in everything that goes on. Miss Maudie, unlike Miss Stephanie, held an opinion about how she felt the world should run; how the justice system should work; how equality isn't expressed in Maycomb society. Women like Olive and Miss Stephanie just gave men another reason to criticize the ignorance of women and look down up on them, in a condescending manner. But women like Miss Maudie were the exceptions to the stereotype that ALL women were the ignorant, housemaids. She knew her surrounding events and held a position and was able to defend it when questioned about it by Scout and Jem, and that couldn't be said for the majority of the women at that time.
ReplyDeleteMany of us think it unfair and unjust that women were not given the same rights as men, but was it really that unfair? Most women never had the interest or knowledge about society to actually use those rights, so did being denied those rights really make a difference, especially in Maycomb?
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